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Quote# 140584

A valid Biblical point gleaned from the existence of RFID chips that will cause sores and abscess' is this...that it is our electrical nature that talks to our genetic health...and Jesus showed us how to harness that science within our own genetics for our own health improvement. Hard to understand, maybe, but if we don't pay heed it is only us that will suffer as individual mutants of the scurrilous thinking of Satan.


NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 7 Comments [9/21/2018 4:49:17 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 140580

If Texas elects a Democrat, they’re going to ban barbecue across the state of Texas.

Ted Cruz, ABC News 9 Comments [9/21/2018 4:43:28 PM]
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Quote# 140518

Faith is God’s sovereign gift, and God has decided to withhold it from the non-elect, but instead he chooses to harden them; therefore, to offer salvation to the non-elect as if God desires them to be saved and as if it is possible for them to be saved would be to lie to them in God’s name. There is no offer of salvation to the non-elect, but only a command that they can never obey, and God will punish them with hellfire.

This does not prevent us from preaching the gospel to all men, since it is not our duty or right to pick out the elect and preach only to them, or to pick out the non-elect and exclude them. The point is that we must not present the gospel as a sincere offer to all, as if God’s “desire” can differ from his decree, as if God could or would decree against his “desire,”[1] and as if it is possible for even the non-elect to be saved.

God loves the elect and desires (and thus has decreed) their salvation; he hates the reprobates and desires (and thus has decreed) their damnation (Romans 9:13). The preaching of the gospel must be consistent with this. So we must present the gospel as a serious command to all, as if it is required of all to believe (Acts 17:30), and as if God intends to summon the elect and harden the non-elect by the same preaching of the gospel (2 Corinthians 2:15-16).

Thus we must preach the gospel to all men for at least three reasons: 1. God commands us to preach the gospel to all people, 2. We do not know and should not consider beforehand who are the elect and who are the reprobates, and 3. The purpose of preaching the gospel is not only to summon the elect to faith, but also to harden the reprobates in their unbelief.

Vincent Cheung, vincentcheung.com 13 Comments [9/20/2018 2:19:15 AM]
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Quote# 140572

(Re: Florence):

God is the God of goodness.

Evil comes from Satan.

Blame the hurricane and its destruction on Satan, not God.

Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy.

The author of Chaos and Confusion.

Bible verses about Satan as the Author of Confusion
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Matthew 8:26

As the Son of God and with only the power of His word, Christ speaks, and the wind ceases. After the fierce storm relents, a great calm descends. This miracle over the environment contrasts the disharmony, disorder, and confusion of nature against the power, order, and peace of the Creator (Psalm 89:9).

Christ treats this storm and the sea as if they were antagonistic and rebelling forces under a dominating, unrestrained power, but His word is sufficient to calm them, just as it commands demons to leave those who are possessed. Conflicts and rebellions have their source in Satan, the author of confusion in both the physical and spiritual worlds. Physical evils in nature and among mankind are among Satan's works that Jesus came to overcome and destroy.

When Jesus speaks to calm the storm, Mark indicates that He addresses more than a meteorological force but a being behind it. When He commands the sea, "Peace, be still!" the Greek phrase means "be muzzled or gagged," as though the storm were a maniac that had to be bound and restrained.

The waves of the world still rage against Christ's disciples, yet they will never be overwhelmed because Christ is in them (Psalm 46:1-3; 93:3-4).

Martin G. Collins
The Miracles of Jesus Christ: Stilling a Storm


Sandy

dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 7 Comments [9/21/2018 1:27:31 PM]
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Quote# 140519

From this biblical teaching, we can then form general interpretations of the various acts of providence, including natural and “man-made” disasters. And we have warrant from Scripture to say that when disasters like hurricanes, tsunamis, and even terrorist attacks occur, killing thousands of people, there is almost always an element of divine punishment. To speak plainly, God kills these people because they are sinners and they deserve to die, and the time is ripe to punish them. Is not this the scriptural teaching? If you reject this, you might as well stop calling yourself a Christian, for your faith rests in yourself and your own opinions, and it is evident that you have no regard for God and Scripture. Then, another intended effect of these disasters is to awaken the elect and to harden the reprobates.

The human element complicates the issue, although not for those who read and affirm Scripture, and who do not become so indignant over the teaching that they can no longer think clearly. What complicates the issue for some is that the very people that God uses to punish sinners are often just as wicked themselves. Scripture has addressed this in numerous places. When God uses the wicked to punish the guilty, he also plans to punish these instruments of his providence at a later time. In fact, God moves them to perform additional acts of wickedness in order to fulfill his own divine decree, which is to cause them to incur even greater wrath against themselves.

This had been demonstrated at various times in Israel’s history. When God’s people fell into sin and idolatry, he would send foreign nations to slaughter and enslave them. But these invaders were themselves subject to God’s wrath, and it is precisely because they slaughtered and enslaved God’s people (propelled by God’s power) that divine judgment soon visited them as well. Consider Israel at the time of Christ. The Son of God came and the Jews murdered him, and said, “Let his blood be on us and on our children!” (Matthew 27:25). God held them to their word. Within a generation, the Romans sacked and burned Jerusalem, and completely devastated it. But God saw to it that the Romans themselves were soon destroyed as well. This is the pattern of providence.

Just to mention this is considered anti-Semitic by many people, but they are hypocrites. Let the Jews first answer for the murder of Christ and the thousands of Christians who perished at the beginning of the Church, and then we can talk about anti-Semitism. The truth is that these disasters were the works of God, and to adopt the mentality that the victims were always innocent is to show that they still have not learned from their own history. As in Micah’s day, they are still saying, “Disgrace will not overtake us. Is the Spirit of the Lord angry? Does he do such things?” But unless they repent and believe the gospel, a thousand holocausts would not even approach the kind of suffering that they will experience after this life. Of course this is not true just for the Jews, but for all people everywhere.

Vincent Cheung, vincentcheung.com 9 Comments [9/20/2018 2:20:33 AM]
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Quote# 140577

Lynchings in Congo as penis theft panic hits capital

KINSHASA (Reuters) - Police in Congo have arrested 13 suspected sorcerers accused of using black magic to steal or shrink men’s penises after a wave of panic and attempted lynchings triggered by the alleged witchcraft.

Reports of so-called penis snatching are not uncommon in West Africa, where belief in traditional religions and witchcraft remains widespread, and where ritual killings to obtain blood or body parts still occur.

Rumors of penis theft began circulating last week in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo’s sprawling capital of some 8 million inhabitants. They quickly dominated radio call-in shows, with listeners advised to beware of fellow passengers in communal taxis wearing gold rings.

Purported victims, 14 of whom were also detained by police, claimed that sorcerers simply touched them to make their genitals shrink or disappear, in what some residents said was an attempt to extort cash with the promise of a cure.

“You just have to be accused of that, and people come after you. We’ve had a number of attempted lynchings. ... You see them covered in marks after being beaten,” Kinshasa’s police chief, Jean-Dieudonne Oleko, told Reuters on Tuesday.

Police arrested the accused sorcerers and their victims in an effort to avoid the sort of bloodshed seen in Ghana a decade ago, when 12 suspected penis snatchers were beaten to death by angry mobs. The 27 men have since been released.

“I’m tempted to say it’s one huge joke,” Oleko said.

“But when you try to tell the victims that their penises are still there, they tell you that it’s become tiny or that they’ve become impotent. To that I tell them, ‘How do you know if you haven’t gone home and tried it’,” he said.

Some Kinshasa residents accuse a separatist sect from nearby Bas-Congo province of being behind the witchcraft in revenge for a recent government crackdown on its members.

“It’s real. Just yesterday here, there was a man who was a victim. We saw. What was left was tiny,” said 29-year-old Alain Kalala, who sells phone credits near a Kinshasa police station.

Various Congolese People, Reuters 9 Comments [9/21/2018 4:40:59 PM]
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Submitted By: Nemo

Quote# 140523

If you knew a non-Christian who had died in one of the great disasters of recent years – someone who was killed by warfare, by terrorism, by flood, or by fire – do not weep for him because of how he died, but weep for him because of what he is suffering now. This person might be your father or mother, your brother or sister, your son or daughter, your spouse, or a friend. At this very moment in hell, he is screaming in extreme agony, and being tortured by an unearthly pain. He curses God, but God laughs at him. He begs God to release him, but God only increases his suffering. He calls out your name, but you cannot hear him, you cannot help him. He recalls the times when the two of you made fun of the Christians and mocked their God. He thinks about the time when one of them stumped him in a debate, but he hardened his heart even more.

He remembers how he was encouraged in his unbelief when he read a certain novel that portrayed Christian history as just one great conspiracy. Now he realizes that all it contained were old theories that were refuted long ago. One of the newcomers in hell had told him that they even made it into a movie. The devil overheard and chuckled, “Could you people be any more gullible? You claimed to be so rational and so knowledgeable, so advanced…Ha! And you were fooled by a novel? Well, you will meet the author in a just a few years. You can get his autograph then!”

No matter how he died, or what kind of person you thought he was, if he died a non-Christian, then he is now in hell – burning, burning, burning! Combine all the mental distress that you have ever suffered and all the physical agony that you have ever endured, multiply its intensity by a million times, and extend its duration to endless eternity, and you will have a faint idea of what he is going through right now. But our imagination fails us, for anything that we can imagine is far weaker than what God is now doing to your friend or relative. So I will restrain myself, lest my description makes hell sound too pleasant. God does not do a half-baked job at anything – what he promises, he delivers, and when he punishes, he goes all the way.

Vincent Cheung, vincentcheung.com 14 Comments [9/20/2018 2:22:20 AM]
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Quote# 140486

In May of 2015, I published an article entitled “8 steps to confront your wife’s sexual refusal”. In this article I detailed 8 steps that Christian men could take in confronting sexual defraudment on the part of their wives. This article has since become one of the top 5 viewed pages on this blog and this page alone has had about 800,000 views since I first published it. I made some edits to this article over the last few years but essentially it has remained the same. Here are the 8 steps I list for men in confronting their wife’s sexual refusal:

Step 1 – Rebuke her privately

Step 2 – Stop taking her on dates or trips

Step 3 – No unnecessary household upgrades

Step 4 – Stop doing the little extra things

Step 5 – Remove her funding

Step 6 – Rebuke her before witnesses

Step 7 – Bring her before the Church


And then I gave the 8th and final step for husbands if these 7 steps did not bring their wife to repentance:

“What if none of these 7 steps work?

If your wife remains willfully defiant, yet she has not left you, it could be for a variety of reasons. She may not want to lose how she lives with you and she knows that after a divorce her lifestyle will be severely affected, and she does not want to deal with the consequences of divorce. Perhaps she may have some genuine care for you left as well as your children but she simply cannot see the error of her ways and will hold out indefinitely with the hope that one day you will fold and give her back the money, the dates, the trips, the house hold upgrades and she will not have been forced to change her ways.

But you have a final step you may take, one that you need to pray long and hard about before you do.

You have the option to divorce her for her sexual immorality.

“But I tell you, everyone who divorces his wife, except in a case of sexual immorality, causes her to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.” – Matthew 5:32(HCSB)”


biblicalgenderroles, Biblical Gender Roles 17 Comments [9/18/2018 2:53:08 AM]
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Quote# 140535

Peter: This says it all: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/2018/09/over-7000-pastors-admit-they-dont-follow-jesus/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=FBCP-PRX&utm_content=keithgiles

Martin: Yes, it prove Patheos is nothing to do with Christianity. Clearly Keith Giles knows nothing of the gospel or Jesus Christ.

TS (unami): Can you ever say something positive?

Martin: I'm positive it prove Patheos is nothing to do with Christianity.

TS (Unami): *sigh*
No, you're just being negative again.
Sadly typical.
See, Martin -- YOU don't decide who is a Christian, OK?
That distinction belongs to JESUS CHRIST -- not you.

(...)

Martin: I say the same things because they need to be said.


Martin, Premier 7 Comments [9/20/2018 2:32:15 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140539

Martin: Pretty good evidence that Christian Aid is not Christian in any sense of the word.

Patrick Gillan: Just so you know people who do not refer to themselves as Christians do extraordinary things for other people

Martin: But their motives, the Bible tells us, are always sinful.

John Anthony: Goodness Martin, you are certainly heart and soul of the conversation aren't you ?

Martin: You have a problem with what the Bible says ?

Peter: Start here. It describes your theology to a T. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/why-calvinism-makes-me-want-to-gouge-my-eyes-out/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=FBCP-PRX&utm_content=formerlyfundie

Martin: In other words, you reject what the Bible says, as does the Atheist who wrote that pathetic blog. His only argument is "I don't like it". Tough, God hasn't asked you to like it, He's told you to accept it. When you've finished stamping your feet at God consider that he has your life in His hands.

Martin, Premier 6 Comments [9/20/2018 2:33:58 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140569

Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 5 Comments [9/21/2018 3:51:13 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 8479

Here's a little bit more of the proof that UFOs are demonological. [...] The most well known verses of Revelation 13 are quoted here -- the stamped image/666 verses.
Read them carefully. Verse 17 says that 666 in Verse 18 "stood for its name." So, what is the famous "name of the beast" that 666 stands for? Watch
A.................................1
B.................................2
C.................................3
D.................................4
E.................................5
F..............................6
G H I J K L M N
O.......................................6
P...........................................5
Q...........................................4
R...........................................3
S............................................2
T............................................1
U...................6
V.......................5
W......................4
X.......................3
Y.......................2

Z.......................1
U F O
So, treating 666 as what is referred to as a simple "atbash" code with the English alphabet as the key decodes "666" to the "name of the beast," "UFO."
Before skeptics jump all over this, I should point this out...
There are different version of the Book of Revelation in the ancient scrolls of the world. In one of those alternate versions of the Book of Revelation, the "number of the beast" isn't "666," but "616."
Watch.
A.............................1 b c d e f g h i j k l m n
O.......................................6
P...........................................5
Q...........................................4
R...........................................3
S............................................2
T............................................1
U..................6
V......................5
W.....................4
X......................3
Y......................2

Z......................1

U A O
"UAO" is the British version of "UFO." So, both versions of the famous "number of the beast" in ancient scrolls decode to UFO-related terms.

[...]

1 through 36 inclusive are arranged in the shape of an equilateral triangle, with 8 digits on the edge, like this...

<div align="center">1
2....3
4....5....6
7....8....9...10
11...12...13...14...15
16...17...18...19...20...21
22...23...24...25...26...27...28
29...30...31...32...33...34...35...36</div>

I separated the numbers by periods to try to insure even placement after the MSN system finishes "chewing-up" and "digesting" my post.
Now, here's the key: The natural numbers 1 through 36 add up to 666.
So, Pythagoras' equilateral triangle stands for "666."

Deep_MindQuest, Bibleforums.org 54 Comments [12/3/2005 12:00:00 AM]
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Quote# 140547

Judge Jeanine said it Best , Democrats , They are DEMON RATS and will Stab all Americans in the BACk to Retain Power . DEMON RATS would Sell themselves to Islam’s Terrorists or to the Other Equally Evil SATAN HIMSELF. IN CANADA WE have a FECKLESS SCUMBAG called JIHADI JUSTIN TRUDEAU who is a TERRORIST LEADER coming out of the Closet .

Tim, Jihadwatch 13 Comments [9/20/2018 2:42:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140582

Herald Newman: I don't think we need rigid definitions of "love" and "harm" in order to understand that love is generally beneficial, and harm is not.
Let's imagine two societies:
In society A, all of the members hate one another, and do not care what happens to any other member of that society. Each member lives by the philosophy "I got mine, and I'll fight you for yours." If a member runs out of food, they should have planned better, and probably starve. When a member is attacked by animals, nobody comes to their aid.
In society B, the members all are concerned about other members of the society, and actively try to protect them from the dangers of the world. Members who have no food are given some of the excess with the expectation of repaying the kindness. When a member of society is attacked by animals another member will try to help and protect them.
Now tell me. Which society do you think is more likely to survive and flourish? Which society would you rather live in? I'm going to bet that most of you would rather live in society B.
So now comes the question. Why does love and morality need an outside source?? We're an evolved social species, and our evolution has made us so that we generally want to cooperate with each other. The survival of our species depends on us caring about certain members of the tribe, and wanting to protect them. Doing so has allowed us to survive.
I still shake my head that people, let alone Christians, insist that morality needs some "outside source" is order to make sense. It doesn't! Maybe it's because we're so far removed from the days when surviving through the night meant you had to put your life into the hands of other members of the tribe.


Martin: So where is your evidence for Evolution? It's a fairy story for grown ups, nothing more.
You're morality, as you describe it, is based on selfishness, not love. You ask what is best for me, for my group.
What is missing from your understanding of life is your acceptance of what you know, that God exists. Life is only good when it is based on the respect and love for our Creator. From that we naturally have respect and love for each other. From love for God comes a desire for justice and the protection of the weak. Our society is degenerating, care for each other is evaporating, the powerful look after themselves and do not care for the weak. Love is wanting the best for a person, not seeking the survival of the species.

Harold Newman: "So where is your evidence for Evolution? It's a fairy story for grown ups, nothing more." Go take a science class, or try the Wikipedia article on "evidence of common descent" Your ignorance of evolution does not justify the belief that it's a "fairy story for grown ups."
"What is missing from your understanding of life is your acceptance of what you know, that God exists" Are you going to quote Romans 1:20 at me too?
"Life is only good when it is based on the respect and love for our Creator." Says who ???

Martin: Science will show you that here is no evidence for Evolution, only claims and assertions.
That you know your folly does not require me to provide quotes. God is quite clear, apart from God, nothing is good.


Martin, Premier 4 Comments [9/21/2018 4:48:28 PM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140549

The Alliance respects each client's dignity, autonomy and free agency. We believe that clients have the right to claim a gay identity, or to diminish their homosexuality and to develop their heterosexual potential. The right to seek therapy to support a gay identity as well as to change one's sexual adaptation should be considered self-evident and inalienable. We call on our fellow mental-health association to stop falsely claiming to have "scientific knowledge" that settles the issue of homosexuality.

Instead, our mental-health associations must leave room for diverse understandings of the family, of core human identity, and the meaning and purpose of human sexuality. "Tolerance and diversity" means nothing if it is extended to activists and not traditionalists on the homosexual issue. Tolerance must also be extended to those people who take the principled, scientifically supportable view that homosexuality works against our human nature.

Unknown author, Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity 6 Comments [9/20/2018 2:43:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140575

Well, You'll soon get to find out. Get saved before it's too late. Jesus is not a myth and the Lake of Fire (which I was referring to are not myths). And if He is not your only savior then you, too will burn forever in hell. Your choice. But you had better look at that picture because that's going to be you, too. And the burning will be forever and ever in time and not merely finality as you're trying to twist to make your lost soul feel good.

Just Mat, Disqus - Now the End Begins 3 Comments [9/21/2018 4:25:39 PM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140554

Brenda is absolutely WRONG when she states “Adultery always makes divorce an option”. This is most likely the passage that she would point to saying that women could divorce their husbands for adultery:

“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” – Matthew 19:9 (KJV)


We cannot take gender neutral approaches to Scripture where it is not gender neutral. For instance the Exodus 21:10-11 allowances for divorce are for woman only while I Corinthians 7:15’s abandonment exemption is equally applied to both men and women. But here in Matthew 19:9 it clearly speaks of how a husband could “put way HIS WIFE” – it is not speaking as to how a wife can put away her husband. So like Exodus 21:10-11 is specifically speaking to women in regard to reasons they may divorce their husbands Matthew 19:9 is specifically speaking to men as to reasons they may divorce their wives.

Also Brenda fails to recognize that physical adultery ALWAYS consisted of a married woman having sex with man other than her husband. The most literal definition adultery in the Bible is actually found in Ezekiel:

“And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.” – Ezekiel 16:38 (KJV)


“Women that break wedlock” is the most literal definition of the Hebrew (“naaph”) and the Greek (“Moichao”). So a woman is adulteress when she has sex with a man other than her husband and a man is an adulterer when he has sex with another man’s wife. This flies in the face of our modern gender neutral definition of adultery that would say a man is an adulterer if he has sex with a woman other than his wife. But this is not what the Bible says.

biblicalgenderroles, Biblical Gender Roles 15 Comments [9/20/2018 2:45:39 AM]
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Quote# 140555

I say way to go cop lady. It's about time somebody starts roughing up these filthy bastards. Homeless people are everywhere. They stink, the make a mess, and the take away from the aesthetic value business try to maintain. Nobody wants to walk into McDonald's and enjoy 20 mcnuggets with one of these filthy slobs staring them down.

I just went to the San Francisco area. There's bums and scumbags everywhere. Then there's all kinds of services going around to help them out, but they don't take them. Maybe if the cops start pushing them around they'll get the point. Get off the street, and if you can't do for yourself, accept the help of one of the thousands of programs out there for you. Also, let's not forget, if that was a black homeless guy, she would have just shot him.

Kona, Roosh V Forum 12 Comments [9/20/2018 2:46:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 48715

There is only one sin God hates to the point he will wipe out a civilization that embraces it. That sin is homosexuality. Look at what is going on in our country right now, only 3 months after California legalized gay marriage. The wrath of God is here, and America is going to pay dearly for this sin. No matter what MTV, psychiatrists, or anybody in our new age culture says, its NOT okay to be gay. Its a monstrous abomination against God almighty! He will tolerate it for a season, as he has since the sixties, but God is not mocked, and sin doesn't go unpunished.

Listen up, O America! Because thou hast done evil in the sight of the Lord thy God, his anger hath waxed hot against thee! Thy cities will become desolate and thy fields will become barren. Then you shall know that the Lord is GOD and shall cry to Him for deliverance.

bchris02, city-data.com 75 Comments [10/6/2008 1:41:31 PM]
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Quote# 48660

I am worried about my 12 year old son. He accepted Christ as a child..I know he said it because I told him about it and I know he didnt totally understand. So I have raised him as a christian, he attended christian school, etc. Anyway, lately I notice he has NO desire to talk or listen about God. If we talk about endtimes, he automatically has to argue against it. Not loud arguing just comments that all are the opposite of what we talk about. I know I cant know his heart but I am worried when he has no desire to talk about it or have anything to do with it. I know he knows all of it with head knowledge but not so sure about heart knowledge. I told him I am worried about it and asked him about his relationship with Jesus. He just gets really defensive (maybe I sound like I am accusing him) and annoyed. Weird. I am worried about the age of understanding and what if we are raptured and he doesnt go?

Ketsialove, Rapture Ready 73 Comments [10/6/2008 5:14:32 PM]
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Submitted By: sooze

Quote# 140570

It swiftly becomes apparent that Quantum Mechanics and Relativity are merely mind games that have zero basis in actual reality. They are repackaged Kabbalistic Occult ideas being hammered together with spurious and incomprehensibly obtuse and speculative mathematics.

Gregory Lessing Garrett #TheScientismDelusion, Twitter 12 Comments [9/21/2018 8:43:48 AM]
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Quote# 140564

Amos Moses:
you said "Truth is something that can be proven, it's not just an emphatic stating of your faith." ..... okay ..... WHERE is YOUR proof it exists .... and USE YOUR authority .... the DICTIONARY ..... to PROVE it exists ........ show me the EVIDENCE from the dictionary ........

San Geronimo:
What truth are you interested in, specifically?

Amos Moses:
PROVE love exists using the DICTIONARY only ...........

San Geronimo:
love (noun) 1. an intense feeling of deep affection. 2. a person or thing that one loves.

Amos Moses:
sure .... does not prove it exists .... FAIL .... try again ......... PROVE it EXISTS .....

San Geronimo:
With a dictionary? You still don't seem to understand the point of a dictionary. You got a definition from it. The definition is a fact.
Saying "prove love exists using only a dictionary" is like saying "prove the Easter Bunny exists using only a copy of Gone with the Wind".

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 17 Comments [9/20/2018 11:01:39 AM]
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Submitted By: Jocasta

Quote# 140347

(=Regarding "23 Minutes in Hell"=)


Ray
I don't know what book you have been reading, but the one I've been reading talks about Hell numerous
times BOTH literally and figuratively. It's called an analogy. You're writing trying to convince people he is
a false prophet when you're the one doing that exact thing. You're not following the bible at all,yet trying
to detour people from it and making every true Christian seem bad. No you're not helping. Hell is real,
you are fake, and quit leading people down the wrong path. The bible doesn't teach bullying or making
fun of others, why don't you try it. Bill wiese is a great speaker and if he messes up now and then oh well,
he's human. He uses scripture to back up his claims too. Why don't you go back to reading some more,
seems like you need it. This website is a mockery of the Christian faith.

Craig, Bible Truths 6 Comments [9/8/2018 9:14:15 AM]
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Submitted By: I

Quote# 140499

Question: "Is the universe eternal?"

Answer: The Bible makes it clear that the universe is not eternal, that it had a beginning, and that the beginning was its creation by God (Genesis 1:1). This truth has been denied by philosophers and pseudo-scientists who have come up with a variety of different theories in an effort to “prove” the eternality of the universe. Further, atheists will say that matter and energy are eternal, following the first law of thermodynamics—“Energy can be transformed (changed from one form to another), but it can neither be created nor destroyed.”

Philosophically, why do we have something rather than nothing at all? If the universe had a beginning, then it must have a cause, and therefore cannot be eternal. And every drop of evidence we have points to the universe having a beginning, but this truth is not something welcomed by naturalists and atheists. Numerous scientifically minded atheists have expressed a desire to find a loophole to the scientific fact that the present order of nature had a beginning. Unfortunately for them, such a loophole does not exist. Here are five proofs that the universe is not eternal:

(1) The universe is running down, and something that is running down must have started at some point. The second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else).

(2) The universe is expanding. This was confirmed through the Hubble telescope many years ago, and it is interesting to note that the universe is expanding from a single point, meaning the entire universe could be contracted back into a single point. Also, note that the universe is not expanding into space, but space itself is expanding.

(3) The radiation echo was discovered by Bell Labs scientists in 1965. What is it? It is the heat afterglow from the Big Bang. Its discovery dealt a death blow to any theory of the universe being in a steady state because it shows instead that the universe exploded.

(4) Galaxy Seeds. Scientists believe that, if the Big Bang is true (first, there was nothing, then, BANG, something came into being), then temperature “ripples” should exist in space, and it would be these ripples that enabled matter to collect into galaxies. To discover whether these ripples exist, the Cosmic Background Explorer – COBE – was launched in 1989 to find them, with the findings being released in 1992. What COBE found was perfect/precise ripples that, sure enough, enable galaxies to form. So critical and spectacular was this finding that the NASA lead for COBE, said, “If you’re religious, it’s like looking at God.”

(5) Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity means that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed (Einstein was originally a pantheist). His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect—something brought it into existence. Einstein disliked his end result so much that he introduced a “fudge factor” into his theory that allowed for an eternal universe. But there was only one problem. His fudge factor required a division by zero in his calculations—a mathematical error any good math student knows not to make. When discovered by other mathematicians, Einstein admitted his error calling it “the greatest blunder of my life.” After his acknowledgment, and upon confirming further research that showed the universe expanding just as his theory of relativity predicted, Einstein bowed to the fact that the universe is not eternal and said that he wanted “to know how God created the world.”

Further, it should be understood that every effect must resemble its cause. This is because, simply put, you cannot give what you do not have, so it is impossible for an effect to possess something its originating cause did not have. That being the case, how can one believe that an impersonal, amoral, purposeless, and meaningless universe accidentally created beings that are full of personality, morals, meaning, and purpose? Only mind can create mind. In the end it is either matter before mind or mind before matter, and all scientific, philosophical, and reasonable evidence points to the latter.

In conclusion, we find that all scientific evidence points to the fact that the universe had a beginning, just as the Bible states, and that a Cause must exist that resembles all we know today. As Lord Kelvin, a British scientist once said, "If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God."

Got Questions, Got Questions 9 Comments [9/18/2018 3:00:02 AM]
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Quote# 48725

Atheism is a religion, since a typical atheist believes without proof.

In fact it has ritual like all other religious -
a. Theist bashing
b. Trying to "save" people by converting them to Atheism.

omega_rad, Yahoo! Answers 31 Comments [10/7/2008 3:53:00 PM]
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