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Quote# 140585

My freedom to choose to reply to your post is sufficient evidence of my supernatural ability to make a consciously driven choice. A natural explanation would require that my response to your post was entirely pre determined by the uncontrollable physically defined reactions in my material brain.

Alan Burns, Religion and Ethics 0 Comments [9/21/2018 4:49:38 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 140584

A valid Biblical point gleaned from the existence of RFID chips that will cause sores and abscess' is this...that it is our electrical nature that talks to our genetic health...and Jesus showed us how to harness that science within our own genetics for our own health improvement. Hard to understand, maybe, but if we don't pay heed it is only us that will suffer as individual mutants of the scurrilous thinking of Satan.


NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 7 Comments [9/21/2018 4:49:17 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 140582

Herald Newman: I don't think we need rigid definitions of "love" and "harm" in order to understand that love is generally beneficial, and harm is not.
Let's imagine two societies:
In society A, all of the members hate one another, and do not care what happens to any other member of that society. Each member lives by the philosophy "I got mine, and I'll fight you for yours." If a member runs out of food, they should have planned better, and probably starve. When a member is attacked by animals, nobody comes to their aid.
In society B, the members all are concerned about other members of the society, and actively try to protect them from the dangers of the world. Members who have no food are given some of the excess with the expectation of repaying the kindness. When a member of society is attacked by animals another member will try to help and protect them.
Now tell me. Which society do you think is more likely to survive and flourish? Which society would you rather live in? I'm going to bet that most of you would rather live in society B.
So now comes the question. Why does love and morality need an outside source?? We're an evolved social species, and our evolution has made us so that we generally want to cooperate with each other. The survival of our species depends on us caring about certain members of the tribe, and wanting to protect them. Doing so has allowed us to survive.
I still shake my head that people, let alone Christians, insist that morality needs some "outside source" is order to make sense. It doesn't! Maybe it's because we're so far removed from the days when surviving through the night meant you had to put your life into the hands of other members of the tribe.


Martin: So where is your evidence for Evolution? It's a fairy story for grown ups, nothing more.
You're morality, as you describe it, is based on selfishness, not love. You ask what is best for me, for my group.
What is missing from your understanding of life is your acceptance of what you know, that God exists. Life is only good when it is based on the respect and love for our Creator. From that we naturally have respect and love for each other. From love for God comes a desire for justice and the protection of the weak. Our society is degenerating, care for each other is evaporating, the powerful look after themselves and do not care for the weak. Love is wanting the best for a person, not seeking the survival of the species.

Harold Newman: "So where is your evidence for Evolution? It's a fairy story for grown ups, nothing more." Go take a science class, or try the Wikipedia article on "evidence of common descent" Your ignorance of evolution does not justify the belief that it's a "fairy story for grown ups."
"What is missing from your understanding of life is your acceptance of what you know, that God exists" Are you going to quote Romans 1:20 at me too?
"Life is only good when it is based on the respect and love for our Creator." Says who ???

Martin: Science will show you that here is no evidence for Evolution, only claims and assertions.
That you know your folly does not require me to provide quotes. God is quite clear, apart from God, nothing is good.


Martin, Premier 4 Comments [9/21/2018 4:48:28 PM]
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Quote# 140580

If Texas elects a Democrat, they’re going to ban barbecue across the state of Texas.

Ted Cruz, ABC News 9 Comments [9/21/2018 4:43:28 PM]
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Quote# 140577

Lynchings in Congo as penis theft panic hits capital

KINSHASA (Reuters) - Police in Congo have arrested 13 suspected sorcerers accused of using black magic to steal or shrink men’s penises after a wave of panic and attempted lynchings triggered by the alleged witchcraft.

Reports of so-called penis snatching are not uncommon in West Africa, where belief in traditional religions and witchcraft remains widespread, and where ritual killings to obtain blood or body parts still occur.

Rumors of penis theft began circulating last week in Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo’s sprawling capital of some 8 million inhabitants. They quickly dominated radio call-in shows, with listeners advised to beware of fellow passengers in communal taxis wearing gold rings.

Purported victims, 14 of whom were also detained by police, claimed that sorcerers simply touched them to make their genitals shrink or disappear, in what some residents said was an attempt to extort cash with the promise of a cure.

“You just have to be accused of that, and people come after you. We’ve had a number of attempted lynchings. ... You see them covered in marks after being beaten,” Kinshasa’s police chief, Jean-Dieudonne Oleko, told Reuters on Tuesday.

Police arrested the accused sorcerers and their victims in an effort to avoid the sort of bloodshed seen in Ghana a decade ago, when 12 suspected penis snatchers were beaten to death by angry mobs. The 27 men have since been released.

“I’m tempted to say it’s one huge joke,” Oleko said.

“But when you try to tell the victims that their penises are still there, they tell you that it’s become tiny or that they’ve become impotent. To that I tell them, ‘How do you know if you haven’t gone home and tried it’,” he said.

Some Kinshasa residents accuse a separatist sect from nearby Bas-Congo province of being behind the witchcraft in revenge for a recent government crackdown on its members.

“It’s real. Just yesterday here, there was a man who was a victim. We saw. What was left was tiny,” said 29-year-old Alain Kalala, who sells phone credits near a Kinshasa police station.

Various Congolese People, Reuters 9 Comments [9/21/2018 4:40:59 PM]
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Quote# 140575

Well, You'll soon get to find out. Get saved before it's too late. Jesus is not a myth and the Lake of Fire (which I was referring to are not myths). And if He is not your only savior then you, too will burn forever in hell. Your choice. But you had better look at that picture because that's going to be you, too. And the burning will be forever and ever in time and not merely finality as you're trying to twist to make your lost soul feel good.

Just Mat, Disqus - Now the End Begins 3 Comments [9/21/2018 4:25:39 PM]
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Quote# 140571

(Commenting on a story posted entitled "Sociology professor shoots himself to 'protest Trump'" [https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/09/sociology_professor_shoots_himself_to_protest_trump.html]):


The Media is to blame for driving people insane.

The media belongs to Satan.


Sandy

dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 0 Comments [9/21/2018 3:51:28 PM]
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Quote# 140569

Science calls it a big-bang but cannot justify how all the energy contained in the universe sprang from their singularity. I say, we must look beyond the big-bang. That there is a superabundant energy that has always been and always will be. It drifted around space...gathering into huge, dense galaxy bearing clouds, of light-year proportions. Before the big-bang there must have been a static universe...same space...same energy but no time what-so-ever...this all changed when neighbouring clouds drifted into each other...their extremely dense cores set upon claiming the centre position causing a massive collision which split the universe into two dimensions and from this all science sprung into life and the supporting evidence is contained within the Holy Bible.

NicholasMarks, Religion and Ethics 5 Comments [9/21/2018 3:51:13 PM]
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Submitted By: NearlySane

Quote# 140572

(Re: Florence):

God is the God of goodness.

Evil comes from Satan.

Blame the hurricane and its destruction on Satan, not God.

Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy.

The author of Chaos and Confusion.

Bible verses about Satan as the Author of Confusion
(From Forerunner Commentary)

Matthew 8:26

As the Son of God and with only the power of His word, Christ speaks, and the wind ceases. After the fierce storm relents, a great calm descends. This miracle over the environment contrasts the disharmony, disorder, and confusion of nature against the power, order, and peace of the Creator (Psalm 89:9).

Christ treats this storm and the sea as if they were antagonistic and rebelling forces under a dominating, unrestrained power, but His word is sufficient to calm them, just as it commands demons to leave those who are possessed. Conflicts and rebellions have their source in Satan, the author of confusion in both the physical and spiritual worlds. Physical evils in nature and among mankind are among Satan's works that Jesus came to overcome and destroy.

When Jesus speaks to calm the storm, Mark indicates that He addresses more than a meteorological force but a being behind it. When He commands the sea, "Peace, be still!" the Greek phrase means "be muzzled or gagged," as though the storm were a maniac that had to be bound and restrained.

The waves of the world still rage against Christ's disciples, yet they will never be overwhelmed because Christ is in them (Psalm 46:1-3; 93:3-4).

Martin G. Collins
The Miracles of Jesus Christ: Stilling a Storm


Sandy

dlo_3us2001, Realabortiondebate 7 Comments [9/21/2018 1:27:31 PM]
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Quote# 140570

It swiftly becomes apparent that Quantum Mechanics and Relativity are merely mind games that have zero basis in actual reality. They are repackaged Kabbalistic Occult ideas being hammered together with spurious and incomprehensibly obtuse and speculative mathematics.

Gregory Lessing Garrett #TheScientismDelusion, Twitter 12 Comments [9/21/2018 8:43:48 AM]
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Quote# 140564

Amos Moses:
you said "Truth is something that can be proven, it's not just an emphatic stating of your faith." ..... okay ..... WHERE is YOUR proof it exists .... and USE YOUR authority .... the DICTIONARY ..... to PROVE it exists ........ show me the EVIDENCE from the dictionary ........

San Geronimo:
What truth are you interested in, specifically?

Amos Moses:
PROVE love exists using the DICTIONARY only ...........

San Geronimo:
love (noun) 1. an intense feeling of deep affection. 2. a person or thing that one loves.

Amos Moses:
sure .... does not prove it exists .... FAIL .... try again ......... PROVE it EXISTS .....

San Geronimo:
With a dictionary? You still don't seem to understand the point of a dictionary. You got a definition from it. The definition is a fact.
Saying "prove love exists using only a dictionary" is like saying "prove the Easter Bunny exists using only a copy of Gone with the Wind".

Amos Moses, Christian News Network 17 Comments [9/20/2018 11:01:39 AM]
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Quote# 140536

Over the target, taking flak. It’s all good. This is a war for the soul of the country. My soul is centered on God, & wrapped in red, white, & blue.

Wingman68, Baptistboard 19 Comments [9/20/2018 9:56:06 AM]
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Quote# 140563

For a long time I have been urging the left to engage in dialogue with us. I complain that they will neither listen to us nor speak to us, and that this will end in war, and mass murder.

Well, suddenly they have started to talk at us, with leftist NPCs showing up on reactionary blogs and lecturing right wingers on twitter and facebook. Listening, not so much. Their stuff tends to be robotic and spammy. Attempting to interact with them is like talking to an NPC (Non Player Character) in a video game. To some extent they actually are NPCs – we are seeing stuff that looks as if generated by Google’s AI, and that AI programmed by people who has no understanding of, nor interest in, the ideas of the people he is supposedly addressing. Looks very like a hasty makeover of a similar operation and similar software directed against Muslims, with the major change in the software being a global search for Mohammed, and a global replace with Moldbug or Heartiste.

To some extent it seems to be actual humans who are mechanically following a script written for them by someone else, and who are not allowed to deviate from the script, which sooner or later results in them being endlessly repetitious, somewhat resembling a non player character in a video game, but more resembling one of those highly unhelpful telephone help systems, where one is talking to an actual human, but if your problem is not one of the very limited set of problems covered by the script that that human is required to follow, you are sol, and find yourself trapped in the same script over and over.

It is an improvement, a genuine attempt to get off the path leading to civil war. Not really an adequate attempt, since to the extent that it is actual humans, those humans are not permitted to show comprehension of the ideas that they are attempting to rebut, and crimestop genuinely prevents them from comprehending the ideas that they are attempting to rebut. In place of dialog being totally forbidden, we are getting the superficial appearance of dialog, but so severely supervised and tightly controlled that it is not genuine dialog.

They make their preprogrammed argument, you make the obvious and well known counterargument, which is not covered by the script, even though it was first made one hundred and seventy years ago, and they repeat their original preprogrammed argument, claiming to observe and to have experienced the reality that progressives are trying to wish into existence.

Jim, Jim's Blog 15 Comments [9/20/2018 2:49:16 AM]
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Quote# 140562

Martin: No, you have a problem with what the Bible says. The Bible destroys our belief in our own morality, simply because we aren't moral. Our acts, outside of Christ, are always sinful.

Johnny25343: Nope my issue is that when Evangelicals attempt to use Scripture to say what you want it to say some of you are masterful at it. I congratulate you

Martin: You don't think I've had to change my opinion to accommodate what Scripture says?

Ts (unami): The motive to feed hungry people is sinful? The motive to heal their physical wounds is sinful?

Martin: If their motive isn't the glory of God it is sinful.


Martin, Premier 15 Comments [9/20/2018 2:48:48 AM]
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Quote# 140557

Unchaste handling of males and females

Lasciviousness is applicable to any form of dance that, outside the bonds of marriage, would involve touching body areas that are sensitive to sexual stimulation. This will include any dancing that brings couples too close or touching in full frontal contact. This condemns the typical popular slow dance that involves a full body embrace for long time with swaying and rubbing the bodies together.

These are basically the very kinds of modern dancing that are typically engaged at many high school proms, sock hops, holiday parties, discotheques, and nightspots. The sin of lasciviousness rules out this kind of dancing, and the faithful Christian will not participate.

Lasciviousness enters into not only popular modern nightclub dancing but can actually enter any of the styles or forms of dancing previously listed. For example, the hokey pokey of childhood games is innocent enough when a foot, elbow, or head-bone is the body part "shaken all about." When the dance calls for the "tail-bone" to be shaken all about, it crosses the line. We may think it's cute and harmless for children to do this, but we are effectively teaching them this kind of bodily movement in dance is okay for them when they get older.

Dancing can send a very powerful message and hold a strong influence upon us. We have seen in scripture where dancing aided the loss of self-control, lowered inhibitions, and resulted in irreverent behavior (Exodus 32:25). Scripture has also shown us that dancing can cloud our thinking and provoke us to do things we would not normally do if we were not otherwise distracted by desires of the flesh (Mark 6:22). It is very easy for young couples struggling to remain pure while unmarried to engage in unlawful sexual activity after being so strongly stimulated with dance.

Unknown author, Speaking Sound Doctrine 13 Comments [9/20/2018 2:46:45 AM]
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Quote# 140555

I say way to go cop lady. It's about time somebody starts roughing up these filthy bastards. Homeless people are everywhere. They stink, the make a mess, and the take away from the aesthetic value business try to maintain. Nobody wants to walk into McDonald's and enjoy 20 mcnuggets with one of these filthy slobs staring them down.

I just went to the San Francisco area. There's bums and scumbags everywhere. Then there's all kinds of services going around to help them out, but they don't take them. Maybe if the cops start pushing them around they'll get the point. Get off the street, and if you can't do for yourself, accept the help of one of the thousands of programs out there for you. Also, let's not forget, if that was a black homeless guy, she would have just shot him.

Kona, Roosh V Forum 12 Comments [9/20/2018 2:46:15 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140554

Brenda is absolutely WRONG when she states “Adultery always makes divorce an option”. This is most likely the passage that she would point to saying that women could divorce their husbands for adultery:

“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” – Matthew 19:9 (KJV)


We cannot take gender neutral approaches to Scripture where it is not gender neutral. For instance the Exodus 21:10-11 allowances for divorce are for woman only while I Corinthians 7:15’s abandonment exemption is equally applied to both men and women. But here in Matthew 19:9 it clearly speaks of how a husband could “put way HIS WIFE” – it is not speaking as to how a wife can put away her husband. So like Exodus 21:10-11 is specifically speaking to women in regard to reasons they may divorce their husbands Matthew 19:9 is specifically speaking to men as to reasons they may divorce their wives.

Also Brenda fails to recognize that physical adultery ALWAYS consisted of a married woman having sex with man other than her husband. The most literal definition adultery in the Bible is actually found in Ezekiel:

“And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.” – Ezekiel 16:38 (KJV)


“Women that break wedlock” is the most literal definition of the Hebrew (“naaph”) and the Greek (“Moichao”). So a woman is adulteress when she has sex with a man other than her husband and a man is an adulterer when he has sex with another man’s wife. This flies in the face of our modern gender neutral definition of adultery that would say a man is an adulterer if he has sex with a woman other than his wife. But this is not what the Bible says.

biblicalgenderroles, Biblical Gender Roles 15 Comments [9/20/2018 2:45:39 AM]
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Quote# 140553

Western culture is destroying Korea from within through popular culture (one nights, clubs, short-term relationships etc.) that are spread through media and certain expats who tend to take part in certain events and even leading these kind of movements in universities. A this present day and age in a society where lies rule and prevail, women is bound to live a life full of lies fooling husband and children unless she's at the mercy of men.

All these things are contagious and make the society sick, the young people spend their youth sacrificing themselves (studying, working, conscription and going through the troubles of youth) only to find out they are not getting what they hoped for, in other words, they were aiming for/were promised an empty hope, no wonder the more these things spread the more people are apprehensive and skeptical about future partners, unless there's high $$ involved.

kominam, Korean Sentry 7 Comments [9/20/2018 2:44:49 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140549

The Alliance respects each client's dignity, autonomy and free agency. We believe that clients have the right to claim a gay identity, or to diminish their homosexuality and to develop their heterosexual potential. The right to seek therapy to support a gay identity as well as to change one's sexual adaptation should be considered self-evident and inalienable. We call on our fellow mental-health association to stop falsely claiming to have "scientific knowledge" that settles the issue of homosexuality.

Instead, our mental-health associations must leave room for diverse understandings of the family, of core human identity, and the meaning and purpose of human sexuality. "Tolerance and diversity" means nothing if it is extended to activists and not traditionalists on the homosexual issue. Tolerance must also be extended to those people who take the principled, scientifically supportable view that homosexuality works against our human nature.

Unknown author, Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity 6 Comments [9/20/2018 2:43:52 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140547

Judge Jeanine said it Best , Democrats , They are DEMON RATS and will Stab all Americans in the BACk to Retain Power . DEMON RATS would Sell themselves to Islam’s Terrorists or to the Other Equally Evil SATAN HIMSELF. IN CANADA WE have a FECKLESS SCUMBAG called JIHADI JUSTIN TRUDEAU who is a TERRORIST LEADER coming out of the Closet .

Tim, Jihadwatch 13 Comments [9/20/2018 2:42:12 AM]
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Submitted By: Katie

Quote# 140541

Death is such a beautiful thing, and death is such a horrible thing. It’s actually both, depending wholly on the passing pilgrim. Death is just as beautiful as a saintly life or just as dark as an unbelieving life. No one can doubt that death is inescapable. The words of God have spoken, “… it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). Death is such a landmark of life that it must be designed as one would write their will.

The noted French atheist, Voltaire, died a frightening death. Let me quote for you the exact record as published, “When Voltaire felt the stroke that he realized must terminate in death, he was overpowered with remorse. He at once sent for the priest, and wanted to be ‘reconciled with the church.’ His infidel flatterers hastened to his chamber to prevent his recantation; but it was only to witness his ignominy and their own. He cursed them to their faces; and, as his distress was increased by their presence, he repeatedly and loudly exclaimed, ‘Begone! It is you that have brought me to my present condition. Leave me, I say; begone! What a wretched glory is this which you have produced to me!’

“Hoping to allay his anguish by a written recantation, he had it prepared, signed it, and saw it witnessed. But it was all unavailing. For two months he was tortured with such an agony as led him at times to gnash his teeth in impotent rage against God and man. At other times in plaintive accents, he would plead, ‘O, Christ! O, Lord Jesus!’ Then, turning his face, he would cry out, ‘I must die-abandoned of God and of men!’

“As his end drew near, his condition became so frightful that his infidel associates were afraid to approach his beside. Still they guarded the door, that others might not know how awfully an infidel was compelled to die. Even his nurse repeatedly said, ‘For all the wealth of Europe I would never see another infidel die.’ It was a scene of horror that lies beyond all exaggeration. Such is the well-attested end of the one who had a natural sovereignty of intellect, excellent education, great wealth, and much earthly honor.” (Dying Testimonies of Saved and Unsaved by Rev. S B Shaw, pp. 49-50.)

Reading of such a dying experience is overwhelming, even to us who are secure in salvation. Human emotions are a powerful source and no one can live and die without them. Our present generation has mainly escaped the horror of unpreparing for death by the use of drugs to kill all pain. Sadly, the beauty of a Godly death is also lost in our drug culture. The new “right” of the health world is the right to be free of pain. In most cases, the pain or joy is simply transferred to the immediate moments after death. We are spared both the joy and the screams.

Our Bible teaches us the absolute beauty of a saint’s death, “Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints” (Psalm 116:15). Isaiah spoke by prophecy of the triumph that Jesus Christ would accomplish over death, “He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it” (Isaiah 25:8). Apostle Paul echoed this great prophecy, “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ” (I Corinthians 15:55-57).

Now, let’s visit a great saint of God in his death. This Godly man has often encouraged me by his bravery in martyrdom. A great persecution was raging in the city of Smyrna and the cry was heard, “Let Polycarp be sought for.” He was taken and the proconsul gave this aged man an opportunity to recant his faith and trust in Christ. “He nobly replied, ‘Eighty and six years I have served Christ, who has never done me any injury: how then can I blaspheme my King and Saviour?’

“When he was brought to the stake, the executioner offered, as usual, to nail him to it; but he said, ‘Let me alone as I am: He who has given me strength to come to the fire, will also give me patience to abide in it, without being fastened with nails.’

“Part of his last prayer, at his death, was as follows, ‘O God, the Father of Thy beloved son, Jesus Christ, by whom we have received the knowledge of Thyself; O God of angels and powers, of ever creature, and of all the just who live in Thy presence; I thank Thee that Thou hast graciously vouchsafed, this day and this hour, to allot me a portion amongst the number of martyrs. O Lord, receive me; and make me a companion of saints in the resurrection, through the merits of our great High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ. I praise and adore Thee, through thy beloved Son, to whom, with Thee, and Thy Holy Spirit, be all honor and glory, both now and forever.’” (Ibid., p. 17.)

A young man that had put off the call of the Holy Ghost and blasphemed Him, lie dying. His doctor had pleaded that he repent. Burying his face in his pillow he stated, “Oh! I have missed it at last” and then he died. A young lady wonderfully saved in a great revival became ill and had bid all her loved ones a happy goodbye. As she was dying, she joyfully told her sisters, “Don’t weep for me. Jesus is with me, I will not have to go alone.” She looked up as seeing someone special coming for her and then said, “Come on, I am ready to go.” She was gone!

Death can be so beautiful. Stephen, the first of the seven elders chosen to care for the widows, was arrested. After his powerful sermon to the angry mob, he was stoned to death. As he died, the Bible records his parting testimony, “And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul. And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep” (Acts 7:56-60).

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Salty Saints, Paw Creek Ministries 10 Comments [9/20/2018 2:37:05 AM]
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Submitted By: Nemo

Quote# 140539

Martin: Pretty good evidence that Christian Aid is not Christian in any sense of the word.

Patrick Gillan: Just so you know people who do not refer to themselves as Christians do extraordinary things for other people

Martin: But their motives, the Bible tells us, are always sinful.

John Anthony: Goodness Martin, you are certainly heart and soul of the conversation aren't you ?

Martin: You have a problem with what the Bible says ?

Peter: Start here. It describes your theology to a T. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/why-calvinism-makes-me-want-to-gouge-my-eyes-out/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=FBCP-PRX&utm_content=formerlyfundie

Martin: In other words, you reject what the Bible says, as does the Atheist who wrote that pathetic blog. His only argument is "I don't like it". Tough, God hasn't asked you to like it, He's told you to accept it. When you've finished stamping your feet at God consider that he has your life in His hands.

Martin, Premier 6 Comments [9/20/2018 2:33:58 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140538

(=On John MacArthur=)

He's a calvinist.

Well actually he's a Baptist, so he isn't strictly a Calvinist. He's what is normally called Reformed, which means that He holds to the Biblical statement of the gospel that says that God chooses to save some out of those destined for Hell for His own glory. If that raises alarm bells with you it is because you don't hold to a Biblical gospel.

Martin, Premier 6 Comments [9/20/2018 2:33:22 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140537

Peter: As ever you think bluster, abuse and rhetoric is a response to clear teaching quoted from Jesus. It really isn't.

Martin: It's time consuming posting a point by point rebuttal of pathetictheos documents. Suffice to say, they are an anti-Christian organisation.

Peter: I'm sure it is.

Martin: Glad you agree.

Martin, Premier 5 Comments [9/20/2018 2:33:02 AM]
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Submitted By: CC

Quote# 140535

Peter: This says it all: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/2018/09/over-7000-pastors-admit-they-dont-follow-jesus/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=FBCP-PRX&utm_content=keithgiles

Martin: Yes, it prove Patheos is nothing to do with Christianity. Clearly Keith Giles knows nothing of the gospel or Jesus Christ.

TS (unami): Can you ever say something positive?

Martin: I'm positive it prove Patheos is nothing to do with Christianity.

TS (Unami): *sigh*
No, you're just being negative again.
Sadly typical.
See, Martin -- YOU don't decide who is a Christian, OK?
That distinction belongs to JESUS CHRIST -- not you.

(...)

Martin: I say the same things because they need to be said.


Martin, Premier 7 Comments [9/20/2018 2:32:15 AM]
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